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· · · · · · IN THE UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
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·IN RE:· · · · · · · · · · · ·)
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·JEFFREY BARON,· · · · · · · ·) Chapter 7 Case
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· · · · · · · · · · ·· ORAL DEPOSITION
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· · · · · · · · · · · DECEMBER 13, 2013
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· · ·· ORAL DEPOSITION OF ELISSA (LISA) KATZ, INDIVIDUALLY
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·AND AS CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE OF NOVO POINT, LLC, AND
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·QUANTEC, LLC, and produced as a witness at the instance
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·of the Receiver, Peter S. Vogel, and duly sworn, was
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·taken in the above-styled and numbered cause on December
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·13, 2013, from 9:02 a.m. to 11:43 a.m., before April C.
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·Presley, CSR in and for the State of Texas, reported by
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·machine shorthand at the law offices of Sandler Siegel,
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·PLLC, 6600 LBJ Freeway, Suite 183, Dallas, Texas,
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·pursuant to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the
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·provisions stated on the record or attached hereto:
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·that the deposition shall be read and signed before any
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· · · · · · · · · · A P P E A R A N C E S
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·FOR NOVO POINT, LLC, AND QUANTEC, LLC:
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· · ·· Mr. Christopher A. Payne
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· · ·· Sandler Siegel, PLLC
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· · ·· 6600 LBJ Freeway, Suite 183
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· · ·· Dallas, Texas··75240
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· · ·· 214-484-6598 (o)
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· · ·· chris@sandlersiegel.com
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·FOR PETER S. VOGEL, RECEIVER:
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· · ·· Mr. Jeffrey R. Fine
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· · ·· Mr. David J. Schenck
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· · ·· Dykema Gossett, PLLC
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· · ·· 1717 Main Street, Suite 4000
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· · ·· Dallas, Texas··75201
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· · ·· 214-462-6455 (o)
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· · ·· jfine@dykema.com
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·FOR JOHN H. LITZLER, TRUSTEE:
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· · ·· Mr. Kevin D. McCullough
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· · ·· Rochelle McCullough, LLP
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· · ·· 325 N. St. Paul, Suite 4500
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· · ·· Dallas, Texas··75201
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· · ·· 214-953-0182 (o)
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· · ·· kdm@romclawyers.com
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·FOR DANIEL SHERMAN, TRUSTEE, ONDOVA LIMITED COMPANY:
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· · ·· Munsch, Hardt, Kopf & Harr, PC
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· · ·· Dallas, Texas··75201
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· · · · · · · · · · · · · · INDEX
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·1· ··Notice of Deposition of Lisa Katz.............· ··6
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·2· ··Notice of Appeal to the United States Court of
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· · · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S
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· · · · · · · · THE REPORTER:··It is agreed by all parties
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·that we are waiving Rule 30(b)(4)?
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· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··Yes.··That's correct.
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· · · · · · · · THE REPORTER:··Also, by the Federal Rules,
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Ms. Katz is going to exercise
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·her right to a 30-day review and signature period.
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· · · · · · · · · ·· ELISSA (LISA) KATZ,
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·having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:
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· · · · · · · · · · · ·· EXAMINATION
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·BY MR. FINE:
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· · ·· Q.··Ms. Katz, my name is Jeffrey Fine.··I'm with
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·the Dykema Gossett law firm.··And we -- our law firm
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·represents the receiver, Peter Vogel.··And we've been in
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·that role, representing Peter Vogel, since July of 2012.
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· · · · · · · · First of all, just for the record, I think
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·your given name is Elissa?
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· · ·· A.··That's correct.··But I haven't used it in about
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·50 years.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.
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· · · · · · · · (Interruption in proceedings.)
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· · · · · · · · (Mr. Urbanik entered the room.)
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· · · · · · · · MR. URBANIK:··Good morning.··Sorry I'm
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So, Ms. Katz, I'm sorry for the
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·interruption.··So your given name is Elissa,
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·E-l-i-s-s-a, Katz?
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· · ·· A.··(Nods.)
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· · ·· Q.··But you go by "Lisa Katz"?
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· · ·· A.··Correct.
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· · ·· Q.··And my understanding is that you trained in
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·mathematics at Clark University.
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· · ·· A.··(Nods.)
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· · ·· Q.··And then you took a law degree at Texas
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·Wesleyan University --
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· · ·· A.··(Nods.)
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· · ·· Q.··-- in about 1993 or so?
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· · ·· A.··Uh-huh.
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· · ·· Q.··I'm sorry --
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··-- ma'am -- okay.··And just so that we have --
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· · ·· A.··Okay.
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· · ·· Q.··-- the understanding, since this deposition is
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·being transcribed, it's very important that any response
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·that anyone gives here has to be verbal.··The reporter
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·cannot take down nods or waves of hands or anything like
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·that.··So I'd just ask, if you could, please try to do
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·that.
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··And my understanding is that you went to Texas
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·Wesleyan Law School.··But you've never taken the Bar, or
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·you've never passed the Bar?··I'm not sure which.
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· · ·· A.··I have not passed the Bar.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So you're not a licensed attorney
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·anywhere?
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· · ·· A.··Correct.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··How do you make your living?
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· · ·· A.··I receive Social Security, and I work as a
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·substitute teacher.··And I tutor math.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And can you tell me that -- whether you
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·are here today in response to a notice of deposition?
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· · ·· A.··I am.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And I hand you this Notice of Deposition
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·of Lisa Katz.··Have you seen that before?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And let me just mark this as Exhibit 1.
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· · · · · · · · (Exhibit 1 marked.)
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· · ·· Q.··And, Ms. Katz, although I know that you've
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·given testimony before in the bankruptcy court, I just
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·wanted to make sure that you understand that, if you
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·don't understand a question that I ask you, you are
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·certainly welcome to ask me to repeat it.··And I would
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·appreciate having an understanding with you that, unless
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·you ask me to repeat a question, then we all agree that
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·you understand it.
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· · ·· A.··Okay.
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· · ·· Q.··Is that okay with you?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Ms. Katz, what did you do in preparation
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·for this deposition today?
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· · ·· A.··I looked at some of the documents briefly that
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·I had.
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· · ·· Q.··And what documents are those?
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· · ·· A.··I think my management agreement.··And offhand I
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·don't remember all of them.··I think I looked at the
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·testimony that I gave a couple years ago.··I'm trying to
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·think.··I don't remember what else.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Ms. Katz, you just mentioned testimony
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·that you gave a couple of years ago.··Is that the
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·testimony that you gave November 15th, 2011, in the
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·United States Bankruptcy Court?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··And that was in the Ondova Limited case?
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· · ·· A.··Uh-huh.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And that was testimony in regard to
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·what?··Why were you there testifying?
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· · ·· A.··As manager of Quantec and Novo Point.
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· · ·· Q.··And let's go back for a second.··When you
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·anyone about preparing for today's testimony?
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· · ·· A.··Not really other than being told to tell the
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·truth.
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· · ·· Q.··Did you --
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Okay.··Other than your
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·attorney, did you talk to anyone?
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· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Who is your attorney?
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· · ·· A.··Mr. Payne.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Does he represent you personally?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Who does Mr. Payne represent?
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· · ·· A.··Quantec and Novo Point.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So you talked to Mr. Payne in
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·preparation for your testimony here today?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And are you aware that we also served a
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·notice of deposition on Quantec and Novo Point to
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· · ·· A.··I'm not aware of that.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Besides speaking to Mr. Payne and
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·besides looking at a few documents which you described,
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· · ·· A.··I don't think anything else.
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· · ·· Q.··And let me ask you, since your testimony in the
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·bankruptcy court on November 15th of 2011, have you
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· · ·· A.··Not --
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· · ·· Q.··-- in any matter?
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· · ·· A.··-- to my knowledge, no.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you appeared in any court proceedings
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· · ·· A.··Yes.··But in JP court, nothing to do with this.
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· · ·· Q.··Nothing to do with Novo Point or Quantec?
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· · ·· A.··Correct.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you ever heard of an entity called The
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·Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And what is that entity?
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· · ·· A.··To my recollection, The Village Trust actually
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·owns Quantec and Novo Point.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Let's get back for a second to your
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·testimony of November 15th, 2011.··I think at that time
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·you testified that you had a management agreement to
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·provide certain services to Novo Point and Quantec.··Is
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·that correct?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Are you still -- is that management agreement
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·still in effect?
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· · ·· A.··To the best of my knowledge, yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you received any payments of anything
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·whatsoever in --
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··I'm sorry.··I've got to finish my question.
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· · ·· A.··I apologize.
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· · ·· Q.··-- in regard to that management agreement?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you received any payments whatsoever in
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·regard to anything to do with Novo Point, Quantec, or
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·The Village Trust?
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· · ·· Q.··Do you know if you've ever received a W-2 or a
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·Form 1099 in regard to Quantec, Novo Point, or The
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·Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··I've never received anything.
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·November, 2011, I think you testified at that time that
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·you essentially were not providing any services to Novo
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·Point, Quantec, or The Village Trust.··Is that correct?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Since that time until now, have you provided
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you know who the current trustee of The
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·Village Trust is?
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· · ·· A.··Southpac.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you know what Southpac is?··I mean, is it a
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·corporation?··Is it a partnership?··Do you have any
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· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··How do you know that Southpac is the
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· · ·· A.··I know -- I saw their name on some document
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·regarding where they were appointed trustee of The
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·Village Trust.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you remember what that document is?
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· · ·· A.··No, I don't.··It was a while back.
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·preparation for today's deposition, is it?
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· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.··I don't think so.
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· · ·· Q.··And let me ask you, have you ever spoken to
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·anyone from Southpac?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Can you tell me who that is?
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· · ·· A.··I have spoken in the past to a Brian, I think,
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·Mason and a Narita, last name begins with C.··I can't
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· · ·· Q.··And can you tell me -- first, let's do Brian
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·Mason.··Can you tell me, when was the last time you
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·spoke to Mr. Mason?
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· · ·· A.··I don't remember.··I honestly don't remember.
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· · ·· Q.··Was it within the year 2013?
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· · ·· A.··It could have been.
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· · ·· Q.··Let me ask you something.··And I'm not in any
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·way trying to offend you.··But are you -- do you suffer
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· · ·· A.··No.··I -- other than my age, no.
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· · ·· Q.··So you can't recall if you -- or can you recall
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·if you spoke to Mr. Mason in the year 2013?
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· · ·· A.··I honestly don't remember.··I know I've spoken
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·to him a few times, but I can't tell you the exact
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· · ·· Q.··And do you have a phone number for Mr. Mason?
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· · ·· A.··No, I don't.
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· · ·· Q.··How do you communicate with Mr. Mason?
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· · ·· A.··Usually through Gary Schepps.
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· · ·· Q.··Who is Gary Schepps?
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· · ·· A.··Gary is an old friend of mine.··And he was
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·handling litigation.··He was representing Jeff Baron.
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·speak to Brian or Narita.
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· · ·· Q.··In other words, you'd go to visit Mr. Schepps
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·at his office, and you would have a telephone conference
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·then with either Mr. Mason or Narita?
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· · ·· A.··Uh-huh.
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· · ·· Q.··Is that "yes"?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, on those telephone calls, did
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·Mr. Schepps participate in those calls?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··In other words, it was just you alone
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·speaking --
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· · ·· A.··Uh-huh.
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· · ·· Q.··-- on the telephone?
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· · ·· A.··He might have been in the room, but he wasn't
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·participating.
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· · ·· Q.··But could he hear the call?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Because it was on a speakerphone?
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· · ·· A.··I don't recall.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Let's try to focus back on your last
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·phone call with Mr. Mason.··What was said during the
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·phone conversation?
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· · ·· A.··I really don't remember.··I just don't
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· · ·· Q.··You have no recollection at all?
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· · ·· A.··Possibly something to do with, the status of
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·all the assets is still the same and that there was
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·nothing to be done.
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· · ·· Q.··Did he give you any direction to do something
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·or not to do something?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Did he speak with you at all about the current
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·status of Novo Point and Quantec and The Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··Only that they were still in receivership.
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· · ·· Q.··Did he tell you, essentially, to stand by:
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·"Don't do anything; stand by"?
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· · ·· A.··I don't know if it was in the last conversation
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·or prior conversations, but yes.
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· · ·· Q.··So either in the last conversation or prior
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·conversations, Mr. Mason told you to stand by?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And not to take any action?
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· · ·· A.··Correct.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Did Mr. Mason advise you or tell you,
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·during these phone conversations, to hire counsel for
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·The Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Did Mr. Mason tell you in these conversations
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·Quantec to tell them what to do?··In other words, did he
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·tell you to tell them what to do?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you recall having any conversation with
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·Mr. Mason in which you discussed litigation regarding
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·Novo Point, Quantec, or The Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··Only to the extent that there wasn't anything
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·to be done until the receivership was lifted or waived.
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· · ·· Q.··And, of course, the receivership that you're
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·talking about is the receivership of my client,
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·Mr. Vogel, as the Receiver over Jeffrey Baron and the
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· · ·· A.··I believe so, yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Now, let me ask you -- you also
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·mentioned a woman, I believe, by the name of Narita?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
16·
· · ·· Q.··And did you speak to Narita also in telephone
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·conferences from Mr. Schepps' office?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
19·
· · ·· Q.··And were those telephone conferences also ones
20·
·in which Mr. Schepps was present in the room?
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· · ·· A.··Sometimes, yes.
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· · ·· Q.··And can you recall when the last time was that
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·you spoke to Narita?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you recall how many times you may have
·1·
·spoken to her?
·2·
· · ·· A.··Not exactly.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··And I'm sorry to take this out of order.··But,
·4·
·when you spoke to Mr. Mason, did you have some
·5·
·understanding of what his role was with The Village
·6·
·Trust?
·7·
· · ·· A.··I thought he was with Southpac.
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· · ·· Q.··Did you have an understanding that Mr. Mason
·9·
·was in charge, in other words, he was the fellow who was
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·basically in charge of The Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··I assumed that.
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· · ·· Q.··And you had no reason to think otherwise,
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·correct?
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· · ·· A.··Correct.
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· · ·· Q.··And, when you spoke to Narita, did you have any
16·
·understanding of what her role was with The Village
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·Trust?
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· · ·· A.··Only that she worked for -- with and for Brian.
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· · ·· Q.··So she was subordinate, then, to Mr. Mason?
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· · ·· A.··I'm old.··I made that assumption.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And you had no reason to think
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·otherwise, correct?
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· · ·· A.··Right.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, when you spoke to Narita, what was
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·the substance of your conversations with her?
·1·
· · ·· A.··Whether or not there was anything to be done or
·2·
·could be done.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··Regarding the --
·4·
· · ·· A.··The assets of Quantec and Novo Point.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··And what was the conclusion from those
·6·
·discussions?
·7·
· · ·· A.··Just to stand by until the receivership was
·8·
·vacated.
·9·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Now, let's jump back to -- or, actually,
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·I'm sorry.··Let me just finish with Narita and
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·Mr. Mason.··Beside Mr. Schepps, was there anybody else
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·on the telephone calls that you had with Narita or
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·Mr. Mason that you know of?
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Object to the form --
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··-- of the question.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··You've spoken of your calls with
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·Mr. Mason and with Narita.··And you've told that
19·
·Mr. Schepps was in the room, at least, for some,
20·
·possibly all, of the calls --
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
22·
· · ·· Q.··-- correct?··Was there anyone else in the room
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·physically present with you at the time?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you know if there was anybody else on the
·1·
·telephone?
·2·
· · ·· A.··No.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··In other words, it wasn't a conference call
·4·
·where you had multiple parties?
·5·
· · ·· A.··To the best of my knowledge, it was not a
·6·
·conference call.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, again, with Narita -- I didn't ask
·8·
·you this question.··But besides the calls from
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·Mr. Schepps' office, were there any other calls that you
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·had from anywhere else with either Mr. Mason or Narita?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··And did you ever give Mr. Mason or Narita your
13·
·telephone number?
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· · ·· A.··I don't remember.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you ever received any mail from either one
16·
·of them?
17·
· · ·· A.··No.
18·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever received any mail from The
19·
·Village Trust?
20·
· · ·· A.··No.
21·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever received any mail from Novo Point
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·or Quantec?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, because we're in this modern age,
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·have you ever received any e-mail from Mr. Mason?
·1·
· · ·· A.··No.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Narita?
·3·
· · ·· A.··No.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··The Village Trust?
·5·
· · ·· A.··No.
·6·
· · ·· Q.··Novo Point and Quantec?
·7·
· · ·· A.··No.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Now let me ask you -- and I know you
·9·
·were asked this back in November of 2011.··Have you ever
10·
·heard of Mr. Jeffrey Baron?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you ever met Mr. Baron?
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· · ·· A.··I don't believe so.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you ever spoken to him?
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· · ·· A.··I may have once, but I'm not sure.
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· · ·· Q.··Do you have any idea what you -- what the
17·
·substance of that conversation was with Mr. Baron?
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· · ·· A.··To the best of my recollection, it was that --
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·it was just an introductory -- it was an introduction of
20·
·me to him and that I was the manager that I had been
21·
·hired as the manager of Quantec and Novo Point.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Can you tell me what a domain name is?
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· · ·· A.··A domain name is like a right to an entity.
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·You know, you can equate it to a property right.
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· · ·· Q.··And have you ever bought or sold domain names?
·1·
· · ·· A.··I tried to some years back and then did not go
·2·
·further with it.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··You didn't --
·4·
· · ·· A.··It didn't work.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··-- succeed in doing it?
·6·
· · ·· A.··Right.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever managed or operated any type of
·8·
·business that had domain names?
·9·
· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you ever managed or operated any business?
11·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Can you describe what those are?
13·
· · ·· A.··Okay.··Let's see.··I'm going to work backward.
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·Right now I have a little business of -- for math
15·
·tutoring.··And I tutor a number of students
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·independently.··I've been doing that for a couple of
17·
·years.··And there isn't a great deal of paperwork
18·
·involved, but I manage that.
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· · · · · · · · I've managed -- I'm going to have to --
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·I've been -- let's see.··I'm not clear on dates.··Going
21·
·back years ago, with a friend, I started a little
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·business called "Two Little Old Ladies."··I wasn't a
23·
·little old lady at the time.
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· · · · · · · · And then I also had entered into a business
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·-- I was a part owner in a mobile, armored-car checking
·1·
·service, which was great cocktail-party conversation.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Is that a service, in other words, to keep
·3·
·track of armored cars?
·4·
· · ·· A.··No.··It was a business that -- I bought into
·5·
·the business.··And we had these armored vehicles.··We'd
·6·
·pick up money and go to different locations and cash
·7·
·checks, because there are a lot of people -- there's a
·8·
·whole sector of society that do not have checking
·9·
·accounts.··And employees liked the fact that the service
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·was being provided because -- employers liked it because
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·it kept the employees on the premises.··Otherwise, they
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·would go to, let's say, a 7-Eleven, and they'd have to
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·make a purchase, usually an alcoholic purchase, in order
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·to cash their checks.
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· · ·· Q.··So this was like a mobile cashing service?
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· · ·· A.··A mobile check-cashing service.
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· · ·· Q.··Pull up in front of the plant or whatever, and
18·
·people could then cash their checks?
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· · ·· A.··Right.··I marketed for that business.··We had
20·
·some interesting clients.··And then one of the other
21·
·partners backed out, and I became a minority partner.··I
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·asked to be bought out, too.··So I was -- I don't know.
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·I did it for maybe a year or so.
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· · ·· Q.··Any other significant business experience?
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· · ·· A.··Only from working in different businesses.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Okay.··I've already asked you who the
·2·
·current trustee was of The Village Trust, and you told
·3·
·me Southpac.··Do you know who the protector is of The
·4·
·Village Trust?
·5·
· · ·· A.··I think it's Stowe Protectors.
·6·
· · ·· Q.··And have you ever had any contact with Stowe
·7·
·Protectors?
·8·
· · ·· A.··No, I have not.
·9·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know how to contact them?
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· · ·· A.··No.··I would have to -- I would have to make
11·
·inquiries.
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· · ·· Q.··With Mr. Schepps?
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· · ·· A.··Possibly Mr. Schepps or just Google them in
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·order to locate them.
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· · ·· Q.··And I forgot to ask you this.··Pardon me if I'm
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·jumping around.··But do you know how to contact
17·
·Mr. Mason or Narita?
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· · ·· A.··Only -- if I have a phone number, I'm not sure
19·
·where it is.··And I would probably contact Gary Schepps.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know who the beneficiary of The
21·
·Village Trust is?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.··It's Diabetes Research Institute.
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· · ·· Q.··And why do you believe that the Diabetes
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·Research Institute is the beneficiary of The Village
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·Trust?
·1·
· · ·· A.··I saw that in something I read.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··And can you be more specific?
·3·
· · ·· A.··No, I cannot.··I'm sorry.··I don't remember.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.
·5·
· · ·· A.··It's been -- I remember that it was -- there
·6·
·are family members that have diabetes.··So, you know, I
·7·
·remember that.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Do you believe that Mr. Baron is a beneficiary
·9·
·of The Village Trust?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And did anybody tell you this?
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· · ·· A.··Tell me --
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· · ·· Q.··Who the beneficiaries were.
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· · ·· A.··I knew that I read somewhere that he was not
15·
·and that it was the Diabetes Research Institute.
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· · ·· Q.··But you don't remember what the document was?
17·
· · ·· A.··I don't.··It's been a while.
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· · ·· Q.··And you don't have it here today with you?
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· · ·· A.··No, I don't have anything with me.
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· · ·· Q.··And did you discuss the document with
21·
·Mr. Payne?
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, calls for
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·attorney-client privilege.··Instruct you not to answer.
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· · · · · · · · MR. SCHENCK:··Are you going to follow the
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·instruction (speaking to Mr. Fine)?
·1·
· · ·· Q.··And are -- did you discuss with Mr. Payne
·2·
·anything to do with the beneficiaries?
·3·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection.··Instruct you not to
·4·
·answer.··It's attorney-client privilege.
·5·
· · · · · · · · MR. SCHENCK:··Are you going to follow the
·6·
·instruction (speaking to Mr. Fine)?
·7·
· · ·· Q.··(BY MR. FINE)··Okay.··Are you telling me, then,
·8·
·that you're refusing to answer that question?
·9·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··I'm instructing --
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··-- you not to answer.
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· · ·· Q.··Yes?··What's your answer?
13·
· · ·· A.··I'm following his instruction.
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· · ·· Q.··Meaning -- you're pointing to Mr. Payne?
15·
· · ·· A.··I'm following his instruction.
16·
· · ·· Q.··Not to answer?
17·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
18·
· · ·· Q.··And so you're refusing to answer that question?
19·
· · ·· A.··You can make that assumption.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know who the current owner of
21·
·Novo Point and Quantec is?
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· · ·· A.··Village Trust.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, other than The Village Trust, do
24·
·you know of any other owners of Novo Point and Quantec?
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· · ·· A.··No.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know who is giving direction to
·2·
·Mr. Payne?
·3·
· · ·· A.··I am.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··You're giving him direction to appear on
·5·
·behalf of Novo Point and Quantec?
·6·
· · ·· A.··To handle the litigation in the bankruptcy and
·7·
·receivership matters.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··How frequently do you speak to
·9·
·Mr. Payne?
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection.··Invading
11·
·attorney-client privilege.··Instruct you not to answer.
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· · ·· Q.··Are you refusing to answer that question?
13·
· · ·· A.··I'm being instructed not to answer it.
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· · · · · · · · MR. SCHENCK:··Are you following the --
15·
· · ·· Q.··(BY MR. FINE)··Okay.··Are you following the
16·
·instructions?
17·
· · ·· A.··I'm following the instructions.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And what are the terms of the engagement
19·
·of Mr. Payne?
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Instruct you not to answer.
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·Attorney-client privilege.
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· · ·· Q.··Are you refusing to also answer that question?
23·
· · ·· A.··I'm being instructed not to.
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· · ·· Q.··And you're following those instructions?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Who do you speak to, other than Mr. Payne, to
·2·
·formulate litigation strategy?
·3·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Who do you speak to, other than
·4·
·an attorney, to formulate attorney-client -- litigation
·5·
·strategies?
·6·
· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··Actually, that's not my
·7·
·question.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··My question --
·9·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··And I instruct you not to
10·
·answer as to anyone, other than someone who is not an
11·
·attorney.··That is attorney-client privilege.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Okay.··I want to make sure that the
13·
·question is clear and your answer is clear.··So let's
14·
·start back because I was interrupted.
15·
· · · · · · · · Okay.··First of all, other than Mr. Payne,
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·have you spoken to anyone else regarding litigation
17·
·strategy?
18·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··You can answer that question.
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· · ·· A.··No.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So Mr. Payne is the only person you've
21·
·spoken to regarding litigation strategy for Novo Point
22·
·and Quantec?
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· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:··Excuse me (to Mr. Payne) --
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· · ·· Q.··No, no, no.··You're not allowed to --
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· · ·· A.··You're right.··Would you repeat that?
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Sure.··Is Mr. Payne the only person you've
·2·
·spoken to regarding litigation strategy for Novo Point
·3·
·and Quantec?
·4·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And who -- and let me just make sure
·6·
·that it's very clear.··Mr. Mason has not spoken to you
·7·
·about litigation strategy for Novo Point and Quantec,
·8·
·has he?
·9·
· · ·· A.··No.
10·
· · ·· Q.··Has Narita spoken to you about litigation
11·
·strategy for Novo Point and Quantec?
12·
· · ·· A.··No.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Has anyone else from The Village Trust spoken
14·
·to you about litigation strategy for Novo Point and
15·
·Quantec?
16·
· · ·· A.··No.
17·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Has Mr. Schepps spoken to you about
18·
·litigation strategy?
19·
· · ·· A.··No.
20·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Object, attorney-client
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·privilege.··At one point, Novo Point and Quantec were
22·
·both represented by Gary Schepps.··And, to the extent
23·
·that there is any communication that occurred during
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·that time, then that would be protected by
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·attorney-client privilege, and I instruct you not to
·1·
·answer.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··(BY MR. FINE)··Okay.··Well, you had already
·3·
·answered before, so your answer was "no."
·4·
· · ·· A.··To the best of my --
·5·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··I instruct you not to answer.
·6·
· · ·· A.··I've been instructed not to answer.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Have you -- have you ever spoken to a
·8·
·lawyer by the name of Tayari Garrett?
·9·
· · ·· A.··No.
10·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever heard of a lawyer by the name of
11·
·Tayari Garrett?
12·
· · ·· A.··Prior to yesterday, no.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Had you ever communicated in any way with
14·
·Tayari Garrett?
15·
· · ·· A.··No.
16·
· · ·· Q.··And by "any way," I mean, you know, e-mail,
17·
·letters, any type of communication.
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· · ·· A.··To the best of my knowledge, no.
19·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever approved or authorized anyone
20·
·else to speak to Ms. Garrett about Novo Point or
21·
·Quantec?
22·
· · ·· A.··No.
23·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Have you ever spoken to someone else or
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·communicated with anyone else to give Ms. Garrett any
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·direction of any type?
·1·
· · ·· A.··No.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··If Ms. Garrett were to walk into this room
·3·
·right now, would you recognize her?
·4·
· · ·· A.··No.··And -- no.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··Are you aware that Ms. Garrett has filed papers
·6·
·in various courts where she says that she's representing
·7·
·Novo Point and Quantec?
·8·
· · ·· A.··No.
·9·
· · ·· Q.··You're not aware that she's filed papers
10·
·elsewhere saying that she represents Novo Point and
11·
·Quantec?
12·
· · ·· A.··To the best of my recollection, no.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.
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· · · · · · · · (Exhibit 2 marked.)
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· · ·· Q.··Ms. Katz, I'm handing you what's been marked as
16·
·Exhibit 2.··And have you ever seen that document before?
17·
· · ·· A.··I don't believe so.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And do you see, on the second page of
19·
·Exhibit 2, that it appears to be signed by Tayari Law,
20·
·PLLC, by Mpatanishi Tayari Garrett?
21·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
22·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Can you --
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· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··Ma'am, I'll give you the
24·
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· · ·· Q.··Do you see in the document where Ms. Garrett
·1·
·purports to be representing Novo Point and Quantec?··If
·2·
·not, I can point it out to you.
·3·
· · ·· A.··Oh, I see it.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So I want to make very, very sure of
·5·
·this.··I want to make very sure of this.··You've in no
·6·
·way communicated with Ms. Garrett to tell her that she
·7·
·can say that she represents Novo Point and Quantec?
·8·
· · ·· A.··That's correct.
·9·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And are you surprised that Ms. Garrett
10·
·filed this piece of paper?
11·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
12·
· · ·· Q.··To the best of your knowledge, has Mr. Payne
13·
·spoken to Ms. Garrett?
14·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, invades
15·
·attorney-client privilege.··Instruct you not to answer.
16·
· · ·· A.··I've been instructed not to answer.
17·
· · ·· Q.··And you're following those instructions?
18·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
19·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know if there's communications
20·
·between your attorney and Ms. Garrett?
21·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, instruct you not to
22·
·answer, invades attorney-client privilege.
23·
· · ·· A.··I've been instructed not to answer.
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· · ·· Q.··And you're following those instructions?
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· · ·· A.··Yes, sir.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Are you going to take action on behalf of Novo
·2·
·Point and Quantec to stop Ms. Garrett?
·3·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, invades
·4·
·attorney-client privilege.··Instruct you not to answer.
·5·
· · ·· A.··I've been instructed not to answer.
·6·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.
·7·
· · ·· A.··And I'm following those instructions.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··And you're following those instructions.··Okay.
·9·
·Well, I didn't ask you anything about communicating with
10·
·Mr. Payne.··You're manager, in the United States, for
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·Novo Point and Quantec, aren't you?
12·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··I'm just asking you as manager.··I'm not
14·
·asking you for communications with Mr. Payne.··I'm
15·
·asking you, as manager of Novo Point and Quantec --
16·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··I gave you the instruction not
17·
·to answer, and I'm standing by that instruction.
18·
· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··I haven't finished my question,
19·
·Counsel.
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Well, I apologize.··I thought
21·
·you had.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··I'm asking you, as manager of Novo Point
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·and Quantec in the united states, is there anyone else
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·besides yourself who is manager of Novo Point and
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·Quantec in the United States?
·1·
· · ·· A.··Not to my knowledge.
·2·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··I object to the form of the
·3·
·question.··And I don't think you meant to state it this
·4·
·way, Jeff.··But I think her management agreement says
·5·
·that she's management for the state of Texas.··You asked
·6·
·if there was anyone else in the United States.
·7·
· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··Well --
·8·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··That suggested that she was the
·9·
·manager of the --
10·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So I'll ask you that question just to
11·
·clarify.··Do you know of any other manager of Novo Point
12·
·and Quantec anywhere?
13·
· · ·· A.··No.
14·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And that's -- whether it's in Texas or
15·
·elsewhere?
16·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
17·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Okay.··I'm asking you, then, as the
18·
·Texas manager of Novo Point and Quantec, are you
19·
·personally, as manager, going to take any action
20·
·regarding Ms. Garrett?
21·
· · ·· A.··At this time, I don't know.
22·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And I'm just asking you this.··Can you
23·
·tell me what action you could think of that you might
24·
·want to take regarding Ms. Garrett?
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· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.··I would have to discuss that
·1·
·with --
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Do you think --
·3·
· · ·· A.··-- my attorney.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Do you think it's right or wrong for
·5·
·Ms. Garrett to be filing papers on behalf of --
·6·
·purporting to be on behalf of Novo Point and Quantec?
·7·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Yes, you think it's right or, yes, you think
·9·
·it's wrong?
10·
· · ·· A.··I'm sorry.··I think it's wrong.
11·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, as manager of Novo Point and
12·
·Quantec in Texas, do you think it might be appropriate
13·
·to take some action to correct that wrong?
14·
· · ·· A.··It might be.
15·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And I'll ask you this question just to
16·
·be make sure we're abundantly clear on the record.
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·You're not aware of any terms of engagement of
18·
·Ms. Garrett?··In other words, you're not aware if she's
19·
·being paid or how much she's being paid to file these
20·
·papers?
21·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
22·
· · ·· Q.··That's correct --
23·
· · ·· A.··Yeah.
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· · ·· Q.··-- that you're not aware?
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· · ·· A.··Yes, I'm not aware.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··You've told me that the current trustee
·2·
·of The Village Trust is Southpac.
·3·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know if they've resigned as trustee any
·5·
·time in the past?
·6·
· · ·· A.··No.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know when they were appointed as
·8·
·trustee?
·9·
· · ·· A.··I -- I don't recall the date.··I don't know the
10·
·date.
11·
· · ·· Q.··Did it predate your testimony?··Was it before
12·
·your testimony in the bankruptcy court in November
13·
·of 2011?
14·
· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.
15·
· · ·· Q.··Well, let me ask you this way.··Do you have any
16·
·reason to believe that Southpac stopped being the
17·
·trustee of The Village Trust any time in the past couple
18·
·of years?
19·
· · ·· A.··No.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Are you aware that other people may have said
21·
·that Southpac resigned as trustee of The Village Trust?
22·
· · ·· A.··I'm unaware of that.
23·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Have you had any communications with The
24·
·Village Trust in which they've communicated with you how
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·much they're being paid as trustee of The Village Trust?
·1·
· · ·· A.··I think you mean Southpac.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Yes.··I'm sorry.··Let me rephrase that question
·3·
·because I, myself, was confused by the question.··Have
·4·
·you had any communications with anyone from Southpac
·5·
·regarding how much money they've been paid or should be
·6·
·paid to be -- to do what they do?
·7·
· · ·· A.··No.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So don't know of any payments to them in
·9·
·the past couple of years?
10·
· · ·· A.··I -- that's correct.
11·
· · ·· Q.··And are you aware of any demand that they may
12·
·have made for payment of $75,000?
13·
· · ·· A.··No.
14·
· · ·· Q.··That's news to you?
15·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
16·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Something you haven't heard previously?
17·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
18·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Let's say -- I'm going to ask you some
19·
·questions now about Novo Point and Quantec.··Let's say
20·
·that today you were told that Novo Point and Quantec are
21·
·going to be -- their operations are going to be turned
22·
·over to you.··What would you do?
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· · ·· A.··One, set up an office and probably hire some
24·
·people to manage all the domain names and also hire
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·attorneys to -- I believe there were some disputes
·1·
·regarding domain names.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··And when would you -- or -- or on what
·3·
·experience would you draw in taking those actions?
·4·
· · ·· A.··Well, I worked for a couple of technical
·5·
·companies as -- in their legal departments doing
·6·
·agreements and contracts and Micrographics,
·7·
·specifically, and Telvista.··So I've had experience with
·8·
·software and domain names and managing them and the
·9·
·income that they can provide.
10·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Would you consult with Gary Schepps on
11·
·setting up those entities?
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· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, speculative.
13·
· · ·· Q.··You're allowed to answer the question.
14·
· · ·· A.··I don't know.
15·
· · ·· Q.··By the way, is Mr. Schepps your attorney?
16·
· · ·· A.··No.
17·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know if he's an attorney for Novo Point
18·
·and Quantec?
19·
· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know if he's an attorney for The Village
21·
·Trust?
22·
· · ·· A.··I don't know.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you retained him in any way as manager of
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·Novo Point and Quantec?
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· · ·· A.··No.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··And let me make sure I'm clear.··Other than
·2·
·Mr. Payne, have you retained anyone else to be an
·3·
·attorney or counselor to Novo Point and Quantec?
·4·
· · ·· A.··No.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··Have you retained any other attorney to be an
·6·
·attorney or counselor for yourself?
·7·
· · ·· A.··No.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Have you retained any accountants for Novo
·9·
·Point and Quantec?
10·
· · ·· A.··Not at this time.
11·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··In the past, had you retained any
12·
·accountants or attorneys, other than Mr. Payne, for Novo
13·
·Point and Quantec?
14·
· · ·· A.··No.
15·
· · ·· Q.··How do you pay for Mr. Payne's services?
16·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection, attorney-client
17·
·privilege.··Instruct you not to answer.
18·
· · ·· Q.··Are you following those instructions --
19·
· · ·· A.··I'm following the instructions.
20·
· · ·· Q.··-- not to answer?
21·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
22·
· · ·· Q.··Have you set up a bank account for Novo Point
23·
·and Quantec?
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· · ·· A.··No.
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· · ·· Q.··Have you set up any bank account or utilized
·1·
·any bank account in the management of Novo Point and
·2·
·Quantec?
·3·
· · ·· A.··No.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And just so -- I want to make sure that
·5·
·we're not parsing words and whatnot here.··What I'm
·6·
·trying to get at is, are you aware of any bank account
·7·
·anywhere that pertains to Novo Point, Quantec, or The
·8·
·Village Trust?
·9·
· · ·· A.··I'm not aware of any.
10·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And you certainly haven't signed any
11·
·checks from any account?
12·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
13·
· · ·· Q.··And you haven't, otherwise, as manager,
14·
·directed any form of compensation or payment to anybody,
15·
·correct?
16·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
17·
· · ·· Q.··Have -- in your role as manager, have you ever
18·
·received an invoice from anybody?
19·
· · ·· A.··No.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever received a statement of account?
21·
· · ·· A.··No.
22·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever received a bill?
23·
· · ·· A.··No.
24·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, of course, I assume your answer is
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·that you've never paid any invoice, statement, bill for
·1·
·Novo Point, Quantec, or The Village Trust?
·2·
· · ·· A.··Correct.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know what the tax ID number is for Novo
·4·
·Point and Quantec?
·5·
· · ·· A.··Not off the top of my head, no.··I'd have to
·6·
·look for it.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··Well, do you know if those entities even have a
·8·
·tax ID number?
·9·
· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.
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· · ·· Q.··You've taken no actions, as manager, to
11·
·establish a tax ID number for Novo Point and Quantec,
12·
·have you?
13·
· · ·· A.··No, not really.
14·
· · ·· Q.··Does Novo Point and Quantec have any employees?
15·
· · ·· A.··No.
16·
· · ·· Q.··Does Novo Point and Quantec occupy any office
17·
·space anywhere?
18·
· · ·· A.··No.
19·
· · ·· Q.··Can you tell me what the Diabetes Research
20·
·Institute is?
21·
· · ·· A.··No I haven't researched it.
22·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know where they're located?
23·
· · ·· A.··No.
24·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever spoken to anyone from Diabetes
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·Research Institute?
·1·
· · ·· A.··No.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Have you ever attempted to communicate with
·3·
·anyone from the Diabetes Research Institute?
·4·
· · ·· A.··No.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know if Jeff Baron is in any way
·6·
·associated with the Diabetes Research Institute?
·7·
· · ·· A.··To the best of my knowledge, no.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know any other members of Jeff Baron's
·9·
·family?
10·
· · ·· A.··No.
11·
· · ·· Q.··You don't know his mother or his father?
12·
· · ·· A.··No.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you know what the -- what the -- any
14·
·objective is of the Diabetes Research Institute?
15·
· · ·· A.··No.
16·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know if the Diabetes Research Institute
17·
·collects money for -- in donations?
18·
· · ·· A.··I could assume that they would, but I -- you
19·
·know, I have no actual knowledge.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And -- and, other than an assumption, do
21·
·you have any reason to believe, or do you know if the
22·
·Diabetes Research Institute researches anything
23·
·regarding diabetes?
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· · ·· A.··I have no knowledge.
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· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, again, I'm not trying to -- I'm
·1·
·just trying to find out the extent of your knowledge.
·2·
·Do you really know anything at all about the Diabetes
·3·
·Research Institute?
·4·
· · ·· A.··No.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And, yet, you still believe them to be
·6·
·the sole beneficiary of The Village Trust?
·7·
· · ·· A.··To my knowledge, yes.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And no one from the Diabetes Research
·9·
·Institute has ever reached out to you in any way?
10·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
11·
· · ·· Q.··Yes?
12·
· · ·· A.··No one has reached out to me.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Do you have an opinion as to --
14·
· · · · · · · · MR. FINE:··Strike that question.··I'm
15·
·sorry.
16·
· · ·· Q.··Do you know what assets the receivership that
17·
·Mr. Vogel is receiver of -- do you know what assets it
18·
·has?
19·
· · ·· A.··Not specifically.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Do you have a general idea of what those assets
21·
·might be?
22·
· · ·· A.··I'm not sure.
23·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you think that they might include
24·
·domain-name portfolios?
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· · ·· A.··I could make that assumption; but, again, I'm
·1·
·not sure.
·2·
· · ·· Q.··Do you have any opinion as to -- if the
·3·
·receivership was terminated, do you have any opinion as
·4·
·to where those assets should go?
·5·
· · ·· A.··They should be turned over to me to be managed
·6·
·and made profitable and defend -- and defend litigation.
·7·
· · ·· Q.··And why do you think that's the case?
·8·
· · ·· A.··Because they've been on hold for such a long
·9·
·time --
10·
· · ·· Q.··Well, why do you --
11·
· · ·· A.··-- and prevented from functioning.
12·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And I'm sorry.··I cut you off.··Is there
13·
·anything else you wanted to say in response?
14·
· · ·· A.··I don't think so.
15·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And your contract to be manager of Novo
16·
·Point and Quantec, did you negotiate that contract with
17·
·someone?
18·
· · ·· A.··Discussed over the phone with -- with the
19·
·Southpac people.
20·
· · ·· Q.··And the Southpac people, are you referring to
21·
·Brian Mason and Narita?
22·
· · ·· A.··Yeah.
23·
· · ·· Q.··Was there anybody else from Southpac that you
24·
·discussed that agreement with?
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· · ·· A.··No.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··And do you recall that discussion?
·2·
· · ·· A.··Well, it was a while ago, so not really.··Not
·3·
·much.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··Well, did you tell them how much money you
·5·
·wanted to be paid in order to be manager?
·6·
· · ·· A.··Yeah.··They -- they offered me, and I accepted
·7·
·their offer.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··How much did they offer you?
·9·
· · ·· A.··For Quantec, it was 5,000 a month and, for Novo
10·
·Point, 10,000 a month.··And I have specifically not
11·
·entered into any other full-time employment because I
12·
·kept waiting to be able to fulfill my duties full time
13·
·as manager.
14·
· · ·· Q.··Do you have an understanding of whether you're
15·
·owed 5,000 a month for Quantec and $10,000 a month for
16·
·Novo Point right now?
17·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
18·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··What's that understanding?
19·
· · ·· A.··I mean, just basically what I just said:··for
20·
·all the time that I have not accepted or pursued
21·
·full-time employment, waiting to be able to take over
22·
·full-time management.
23·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··So are you saying, then, that you think
24·
·that you're owed $5,000 a month for services to Quantec
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·and $10,000 a month for services to Novo Point for some
·1·
·period of time?
·2·
· · ·· A.··Yes.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··And what's that period of time?
·4·
· · ·· A.··Since Spring of 2011.
·5·
· · ·· Q.··So that would be a considerable amount of
·6·
·money.
·7·
· · ·· A.··It is.
·8·
· · ·· Q.··Have you made a calculation of how much that
·9·
·might be?
10·
· · ·· A.··Well, I'm a mathematician, so yes.
11·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Can you tell me what your calculation
12·
·is?
13·
· · ·· A.··I don't remember.··I did it some time ago.
14·
·It's a lot.
15·
· · ·· Q.··Well, it's $15,000 --
16·
· · ·· A.··A month.
17·
· · ·· Q.··-- a month --
18·
· · ·· A.··Times several months, yeah.
19·
· · ·· Q.··And so each year, that would be how much?
20·
·180,000?
21·
· · ·· A.··Yeah.
22·
· · ·· Q.··180,000 each year?
23·
· · ·· A.··(Nods.)
24·
· · ·· Q.··Yes?
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· · ·· A.··Yes.
·1·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And have you presented an invoice of any
·2·
·type to The Village Trust or anybody, for that matter --
·3·
· · ·· A.··No.
·4·
· · ·· Q.··-- for those sums?
·5·
· · ·· A.··No, I have not.
·6·
· · ·· Q.··Have you discussed with anyone that you think
·7·
·that you're owed that money?
·8·
· · · · · · · · MR. PAYNE:··Objection.··Instruct you not to
·9·
·answer as to any discussions with Counsel, on the basis
10·
·of attorney-client privilege.
11·
· · ·· A.··I'm following the instruction of my Counsel and
12·
·will not answer.
13·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Other than with Mr. Payne, have you
14·
·discussed with anyone else the amounts that you think
15·
·are owed by Novo Point and Quantec to you?
16·
· · ·· A.··No.
17·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Has anyone promised to you that you'll
18·
·be paid those amounts?
19·
· · ·· A.··To the best of my knowledge, no.
20·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Do you have a belief that you may
21·
·actually one day be paid those amounts?
22·
· · ·· A.··I'm a cynical realist.··So, hopefully, yes;
23·
·realistically, probably not.
24·
· · ·· Q.··When you spoke to Narita and Mr. Mason, did you
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·make clear to them that you thought you should be paid
·1·
·those amounts on an ongoing basis or any basis at all?
·2·
· · ·· A.··No.
·3·
· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Why not?··Why didn't you discuss that
·4·
·with them?
·5·
· · ·· A.··Well, that was offered to me.··And I had
·6·
·expected to begin working and then found out that I
·7·
·wasn't -- that there was all this litigation and,
·8·
·therefore, couldn't do anything until the litigation
·9·
·stopped.
10·
· · ·· Q.··And I think you alluded to this a few moments